| I have recently been reading about the
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| | which is good in all religions is a
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| history of various
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| | commendable one. But
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| religions of the world, and something
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| | they still take an "ultimate" approach
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| that seems to have
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| | to their founder,
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| caused a lot of trouble over the
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| | assuming that he is a step up from all
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| centuries has been the
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| | the rest. I personally
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| tendency to expect and/or look for
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| | find this frustrating when I see that
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| infallibility, either in
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| | the ethic Jesus taught
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| human leaders/founders, or in holy
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| | goes far beyond that taught by their
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| writings. This tendency
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| | prophet.There is this tendency for each
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| also seems to have led to exaggeration
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| | religion to see itself as not
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| with regard to
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| | only an improvement on all of the
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| supernatural events. The whole thing
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| | others, but also as the last
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| seems so terribly
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| | and ultimate improvement, i.e the final
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| pointless, especially when one considers
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| | step to perfection or
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| all of the
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| | infallibility. This tendency really
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| problems that have resulted from it.We
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| | stifles their ability to grow
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| have dealt elsewhere with the rather
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| | and prosper according to the will of
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| hollow attempts by
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| | God.I have to admit that I do see God
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| various Christian denominations to claim
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| | himself as infallible, and I
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| infallibility on the
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| | also see Jesus as His ultimate
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| behalf of the Bible, when even the Bible
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| | revelation. I have no
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| itself does not make
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| | problem with calling Jesus the Son of
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| such a claim. The Bible does say that
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| | God, accepting the
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| all holy writings
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| | Virgin Birth, his resurrection, or even
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| ('scriptures') are "inspired", but no
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| | that he is worthy of
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| mention is made of
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| | worship in the same way that we worship
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| infallibility, nor does it establish the
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| | God. But I think
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| bounds of what
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| | there is room even here to understand
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| constitutes a holy writing and what does
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| | that such concepts
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| not. Nevertheless,
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| | are fairly pointless in the real world.
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| most Protestant denominations say (or
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| | What matters most is
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| imply) that it relates
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| | whether or not what he said actually
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| to every word of the 66 books of the
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| | works, and not some
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| Bible (preferably the
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| | theological argument about his divinity
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| King James Version for many), and to
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| | infallibility or lack of
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| absolutely nothing
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| | it.If, for example, "infallibility"
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| else. They further argue that "inspired"
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| | means that Jesus never wet the
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| (because it means
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| | bed as an infant, never harboured germs
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| that the words come from the Spirit of
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| | in his body, or
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| God in the person
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| | never missed a question on tests at
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| writing them) necessarily implies
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| | school, then I think we
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| infallibility.Common sense tells us that
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| | are taking it too far. The Bible says
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| these conclusions represent
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| | that Jesus "learned
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| incredible leaps of logic.It is part and
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| | obedience through the things that he
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| parcel of the message of the New
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| | suffered". In fact, it is
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| Testament
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| | quite likely that it was his human-ness
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| that "inspiration" (or the presence of
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| | that made it so hard
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| the Spirit of God in an
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| | for Jesus' friends and relatives to
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| individual) is now available to all
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| | accept the Spirit of God
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| believers. Indeed, we
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| | that was working through him in his
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| regularly talk of being inspired to do
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| | adult life. As he said
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| various things, and of
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| | himself, "A prophet is not without
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| inspired sermons, inspired songs, and
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| | honour except in his own
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| inspired writings.
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| | house and amongst his own people."I see
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| Yet there is no suggestion that all of
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| | things like Jesus more or less blowing up
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| this inspiration implies
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| | at the
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| infallibility on the part of any person
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| | businessmen in the Temple in the best
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| being referred to.Most of us are able to
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| | possible light... as
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| accept quite easily that we are
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| | an expression of loyalty to God, and not
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| surrounded by people who are capable of
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| | one of hatred for
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| both good and
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| | either the money changers or the animals
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| evil, moments of great inspiration as
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| | that were being
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| well as moments of
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| | sold there; but I can understand others
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| great error. Even in the midst of the
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| | saying that this
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| inspired moments, we
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| | seems to be an instance of him losing
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| generally consider ourselves free to
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| | his cool, and thus
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| pick and choose which
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| | behaving in a less than perfect manner.I
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| aspects of the sermon, song, or writing
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| | say that to underline the need to do the
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| we will embrace,
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| | same thing with
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| and which we will reject.So why can't we
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| | Muhammad, Baha' Ullah (founder of the
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| do this with our holy books as well? I
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| | Bahais),
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| have
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| | Siddhartha Gautama ('the buddha'),
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| frequently been told that such an
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| | Confucius, and many
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| approach to the Bible
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| | lesser religious founders and leaders,
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| would be dangerous, because people would
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| | whether it be Joseph
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| then be free to
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| | Smith, Ellen White, Charles Russell,
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| take the parts that suit them, and to
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| | William Branham, or
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| reject the parts that do
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| | even myself. Not that I am in the same
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| not. But, hey, isn't that what people do
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| | field as these other
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| already? All the talk
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| | people, but just that it is important
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| about infallibility in the Bible has not
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| | that no one teach a
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| resulted in widespread
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| | standard for others that we would not
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| agreement on what it is saying. Instead,
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| | wish to have applied
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| it has been used
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| | to ourselves.It seems to be the nature
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| as the basis for arguing some of the
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| | of fallible human beings
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| most spurious
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| | everywhere, to overstep our divine
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| teachings, based on an absolute literal
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| | authority. Joan of Arc
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| approach to any
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| | heard God speaking to her through some
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| isolated "proof text". Anyone
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| | church bells, and
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| questioning the teaching is
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| | the result appeared to be somewhat
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| seen as wanting to rip that proof text
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| | miraculous. She, a
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| out of the Bible, and
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| | young girl posing as a military
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| thus of being a heretic.Of course every
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| | commander, led her country
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| fundamentalist (for that is what these
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| | to victory in battle after battle (an
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| infallibility teachers really are)
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| | imperfect mission in itself,
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| reverts back to a
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| | in my opinion). But then she stopped
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| non-fundamentalist approach with regard
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| | hearing the voices,
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| to the proof texts
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| | and she went on trying to do the will of
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| used by the opposition... which is why
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| | God. Her
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| you can often listen to
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| | accomplishments from that point on were
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| a debate between two fundamentalist
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| | not nearly as
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| factions and never
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| | dramatic, and actually led to her
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| hear either side give a truly satisfying
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| | execution.Was Joan a fraud? Or was she
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| answer to the proof
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| | just an imperfect human
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| texts raised by the opposition. Neither
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| | being doing her best with her limited
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| side is really
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| | understanding of the
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| interested in getting the bigger
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| | will of God? And was God even prepared
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| picture, because they have
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| | to assist her at the
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| been so heavily steeped in a doctrine
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| | level of spiritual growth that she
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| which actually
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| | represented?Stories like the miraculous
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| originated from some other source. As a
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| | (though disappearing) gold
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| consequence,
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| | tablets that Joseph Smith was supposed
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| they will only cling to those bits and
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| | to have used to
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| pieces that support their
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| | write the Book of Mormon abound with
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| doctrine, and usually have very little
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| | regard to the sacred
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| problem with simply
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| | writings of various religions. They tend
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| closing their ears to the rest.But I
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| | to push people into
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| wasn't going to dwell on Christian
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| | an all-or-nothing approach to the
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| fundamentalists in
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| | writings as well as to the
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| this article. I was going to note how
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| | lives and ministries of the people
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| the same attitude has
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| | concerned. Was the story
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| worked in other religions, and, more
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| | about the gold tablets an elaborate hoax
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| importantly, how it
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| | to generate an air
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| frustrates efforts to see how God may be
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| | of infallibility about the book? Or
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| working through
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| | could it have been
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| virtually all religions to accomplish
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| | something that really happened, maybe
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| his will in today's
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| | even something
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| world.Muslims have been called "The
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| | that God felt was necessary in order to
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| People of the Book"
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| | get Joseph to do
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| because of their dedication to the
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| | what he wanted him to do?The Catholic
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| Qu'ran (or Koran), a book
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| | Church has protected itself (at least
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| that was supposed to have been
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| | slightly) by
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| miraculously given to them
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| | refusing to declare anyone a "saint"
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| by their prophet Muhammad. Muhammad
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| | (which really just
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| himself, was
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| | means a Christian believer) while that
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| unable to read or write, and so he would
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| | person is still alive. In
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| memorise sayings
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| | other words, there are no "living
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| that he felt were coming to him through
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| | legends" in the Catholic
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| inspiration, and
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| | Church. People are allowed to take or
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| teach his followers to memorise them as
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| | leave any living
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| well. It was quite
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| | Catholic, including (within limits) the
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| some time before all of these were
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| | pope himself.
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| recorded in the book
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| | (Infallibility is something only a few
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| which is now known as the Qu'ran. Yet
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| | popes have claimed,
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| the book is treated
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| | and only on rare occasions.) But this
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| with such honour that a true Muslim
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| | whole business of
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| would not even
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| | waiting until after a person is dead for
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| translate it into any other language
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| | some years before
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| than the language in
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| | deciding whether they are a true
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| which it was originally written
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| | believer seems to be a
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| (Arabic). While some
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| | practice which has only been made
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| Christians behave as though God, Jesus,
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| | necessary by giving
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| and all of the
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| | credence to the infallibility thing
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| prophets of the past spoke only in King
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| | itself. Why can't people be
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| James English,
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| | saints, prophets, even founders of new
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| strict Muslims officially teach that the
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| | religions, and still
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| language of God is
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| | be quite fallible... maybe even
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| Arabic.Once again, we see how a doctrine
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| | downright wrong or bad at
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| of infallibility about a
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| | times?It should be the right (indeed,
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| book works to trap God inside its pages,
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| | the duty) of every believer, to
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| and to negate so
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| | do a bit of picking and choosing to work
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| much that he may be doing elsewhere,
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| | out what is right and
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| especially if it takes
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| | what is wrong in every religion. Sure,
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| a slightly different slant on some
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| | you can do it selfishly.
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| issues. If, for example,
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| | And what you get will be exactly what
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| Muhammad (or Krishna, in the Baghavad
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| | you pay for. On the
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| Gita) talks of
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| | other hand, if one makes great effort to
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| going to war, and another prophet
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| | be honest and
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| happens to espouse a
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| | unselfish, this picking and choosing can
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| higher ethic (that of turning the other
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| | get us closer to the
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| cheek and loving our
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| | real thing than the all-or-nothing
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| enemies), the other prophet must, of
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| | approach ever will.Jesus himself said,
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| necessity, be treated
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| | "You can be forgiven for rejecting me,
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| with suspicion. Each time someone
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| | but you can never be forgiven for
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| mentions infallibility,
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| | rejecting the Spirit of God." I
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| they are implying that there can be no
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| | think he was saying that it is the
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| higher revelation. And
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| | responsibility of each of us
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| anything seen to contradict the
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| | to extract the truth (i.e. the Spirit of
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| infallible revelation pretty
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| | God) from everything that
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| much has to be seen as being in
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| | we experience, without necessarily
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| error.Even attempts at picking the best
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| | having to embrace the
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| from various other
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| | messenger through whom the truth
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| religions (whether it be the Sikhs
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| | comes.Dave McKay and his wife, Cherry,
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| drawing on Islam and
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| | are co-founders of the
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| Hinduism, or the Bahais taking bits from
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| | Jesus Christian communities in
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| all of the world's
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| | Australia, Kenya, England,
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| great religions) often result in yet
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| | and the United States. He may be
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| more "packages" that get
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| | contacted directly at
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| the same infallibility treatment. The
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| | .au. The community's website is
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| Bahai idea of uniting that
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| | jesuschristians.
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